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Post by Rugbyref on Apr 28, 2005 20:33:51 GMT
You MUST remember the reason why people were dying. Not because of Maggie Thatcher putting a few pence on the singles but the fact that a brutal communist regiem was in power and as I know from history lessons communism has long been an arch enemy of Britain. Also you all rave about the Nazis when in FACT Stalin made Hitler look amateur! The Holocaust even how awfull killed 8 million wheras Stalin(the scumbag) killed 20million! And people drink alcohpops with the label of the most murderous regime in the world EVER! Just think about that everyone!
Anyone who says that it was worth invading Iraq, is totally wrong! Prove how it is safer? There was NO WMD's and all that happens is terrorists get trained somewhere else!
Lets remember that the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia and NOT Iraq. Why not invade Saudi Arabia? Because of OIL. That was the reason for the Iraq war.
The Falkland Islands were worth fighting for! It was about national pride that obviously you don't have Jones! Britain was not to be bullied by Argentina! Why do we always fight over other nations but when our land is invaded, it is wrong to get it back!
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Post by Rugbyref on Apr 28, 2005 20:38:33 GMT
Hi Evan. How are you?
No I would not vote for the BNP because I am not that racist. Alright I do come out with some unpolitically correct statements but I do over exaggerate!
The Tories are my party and probably will always be. The only thing I like about the BNP is there patriotic messages about being proud to be BRITISH and how they cannot stand the European Union(like UKIP)
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Post by Rugbyref on Apr 28, 2005 20:42:32 GMT
Liam.
I would like to know how can William Hague could have closed down some hospitals in Wales when he was never in power?
Also the NHS in Wales in run by the Assembly that is all Labour with Rhodri Morgan as leader. It is their fault for the state of the NHS in Wales. When my parent retire they are moving to England to get better NHS treatmnt with shorter waiting times.
All the Assembly offer is free prescriptions to everyone. I know I would definitley prefer to pay for my prescription and wait 12 months less because the money is going to the hospitals!
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Post by Dan on Apr 28, 2005 22:33:54 GMT
I know they weren't dying because of her but when everyone in the country pulled together to help (thats national pride) she was her cruel self. I notice you havent got a reply about how she left south wales starving, or how she sold off everything to privitisation- hospital staff used to work under the NHS untill maggie sold it off to companies who hired cleaners on the cheap. And MRSA rises? Go figure.................
I am patriotic and proud of where I'm from. So your saying it's worth goin to war just to prove how strong we are (like we did with the Falklands). Iraq may have been invaded under dodgy reasonings but the end product is better- theyve gotten rid of a ruthless dictator who tortured his people and now, although it will take a while there will b a democracy there.
I know I'm goin on about Mag a lot but Howard was her right hand man and he's the same. I have to speak the truth about this and cant just let you give your view stephen.
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Post by Liam on Apr 29, 2005 6:59:43 GMT
Liam. I would like to know how can William Hague could have closed down some hospitals in Wales when he was never in power? i really dont know, but thats what i saw/heard so thats how hehe I have to speak the truth about this and cant just let you give your view stephen. now now daniel, play nicely!
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Post by Kayleigh on Apr 29, 2005 9:53:40 GMT
Hsate to point it out to you steve but ur tory leader would have supported an ILLEGAL war even whith the knowlage that there were NO WMDS in Iraq!!!!!!!!! And dont you u forget that it was the torys who suported America in thayre funding of Sadams reigeme and they themselfs helped impose mudorus dictators such as Pinoshay! as for the welsh Nhs the reason iit is behined in comparison to the rest ov the UK is because the poverty created in Wales under the Tory reigeme has put our helth in such a poor state that our helth system is cripeled by the dimamd. it is not the fault of our assembaly who have improved it considarably amd the welsh nhs has benifited far more than i8t ever did under Westminsters rule. In adition to this we now have the oppertunity in wales to attend uni without the fear of top up fees, so acctually under a labor assembaly u have far more privliges than any English based tory or Labor goverment.
And by the way without migrant workers our NHhs would colapse so wont our health be far more jeperdsed then?
CHLOE XX
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Post by Munkfish on Apr 29, 2005 18:27:15 GMT
i agree chloe but only to an extent.I`m a proud man,and when i watch the news and hear of developments in the welsh `assembly`. I am discraced. An `assembly` for goodness sake - it makes us sound like unruly children.I feel that until Wales is truly independent (i realise this is unfasionable in this modern age) then how can any political statment by justified. In short, if we have no rule over our own country,then Mr Blair and all the other little gremlins can eat my cake.
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Post by Rugbyref on Apr 29, 2005 19:05:28 GMT
The reason I have had no reply is because I have only just logged on Jones!
I cannot let you have your views on how we should help everyone when we know that is IMPOSSIBLE! (I help people by giving money to charity and some fundraising so I can say that) Also how is Iraq a better place? All there is now is suicide bombers and insurgents! There is no law and order! Also prove how democracy will work. Look at Russia. They still are not fully democratic. People get used to being ruled by dictators. The British tried to put democracy in Iraq in the 1930's when they owned it. It had a goverment and even a Royal Family. What happend? They killed the government and the Royal Family. Alot of Iraqies see democracy as the invading forces way of taking over the country. Remember communism and the Nazis in occupied Europe. The tried to put their way of thinking in the countries and all that happened was that the countrymen rebelled and hated the new systems. Who says that won't happen in Iraq.
Wales was NOT left starving as benifits were around. You say Thatcher privatsed everything. Look at TB. We want more private NHS hospitals, introduced student fees(ie private education!). He has not nationised anything!
About coal. How many of you have a coal fire? Also those who do probably your coal is foreign! I firmly believe in buying British produce but you would all complain if the prices went up to pay for high British wages! Keeping the coal mines open would have been the same as banning tractors and milking parlors so that farm hands and milk maids would not lose their jobs! Maggie was modernising! She privatised the mines and so it was not her fault it closed down. It was the fault of the businesses! (like Rover now!)
I admit some of Affrika's poor nations are to do with exploitation, but it is not just the West's fault! Alot of these countries have corrupt governments and our aid only goes to them and not the people.
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Post by Rugbyref on Apr 29, 2005 19:12:30 GMT
Hia Chloe my friend but GREAT POLITICAL ENEMY!
The NHS has NOT improved under the assembly! The waiting times have soared! The money is not going to the right place like free precriptions!
I believe the Tories were conned into going to war with Iraq. Ok perhaps they still would have but they would have been alot more dubious about it!
Wales was left a mess after closing the mines but that is the problem with having a single industry and as we know in industry it becomes outdated. Look at TB know. He is suppose to represent the working class but the fishing industry is in ruins because of him and Europe. (I hear no one especially JONES! going on about the ruin of the fishing industry under TB!)
Anyway I would like to know your views, the real Kayleigh!
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Post by Liam on Apr 29, 2005 19:55:34 GMT
we had a coal fire until last summer, and we got british coal from Tower Collery (in hirwaun).
my nan still has a coal fire, and she still gets her coal from the same place.
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Post by Kayleigh on Apr 29, 2005 20:23:00 GMT
what do i think? I think gordon browns sexy ;D ;D ;D ;D and i wouldnt say no to charles k eithier!
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Post by nia on Apr 29, 2005 20:32:23 GMT
lmao ...nice!!!
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Post by Kayleigh on Apr 29, 2005 20:38:30 GMT
seriously thou,i find elections dishearting. I always feel like im voting or supporting for the lesser evil or the alternative to named party. Sayin that ill vote liberal democrats.i completely agree with the the 50 per cent tax for people with an income of +£100,000 and they're ban on tution fees.They're preety truthfull as a bunch of politicans go. I Think the conservatives are out of touch as ever,and for labour,get rid of tony and kim howells and make sexi gordon prime minister,then maybe ill take them seriously
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Post by Kayleigh on Apr 29, 2005 20:55:05 GMT
acually let me change that-im voting for Andrew Ross!!! ye baby!
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Post by Liam on Apr 29, 2005 21:08:38 GMT
kim howelles...fuckin powerstation hill poluter with his shittin signs! and now eleri springs to mind... ;D
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Post by The Deadman on Apr 29, 2005 21:12:01 GMT
Listen everyone, we are students therefore we have to look to the polisies that are the best for our near future therefore life in uni and suchforth, so i say join the yellow submarine and vote LIBDEM! Charlie K is the most honest out of the 3 of 'em so go with him, he knows what hees doin...and hees Celtic!Vote LIBDEM!
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Post by nia on Apr 29, 2005 21:41:51 GMT
yeah i agree, charles kennedy seems like the only honest one, and the only one who isn't bullshitting!he's the one that seems to be doing the most for us. the welsh assembley has taken money out of our schools so that they can get rid of student fees, but people who have gon to school in wales then uni in england are missin out twice with lack of funding in schools, and then having to pay for uni aswel. But students in england who come to wales, have had loads of money going into their schooling but then go to uni and having to pay no fees! they should abolish student fees everywhere, its not fair that english people atre better off than us! i like the charles kennedy tribute liam!!
and i agree eleri does come to mind when kim howells is mentioned ;D
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Post by Liam on Apr 29, 2005 22:02:33 GMT
i like the charles kennedy tribute liam!! well i thought...its not long now, lets push the boat out. its not too extreme now is it? after may the 5th (after the winner is announced) i shall give the board another make over. and maybe changing some of the mods...
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Post by Kayleigh on Apr 30, 2005 9:54:08 GMT
*cough* cut meilyr out
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Post by Dan on Apr 30, 2005 17:24:14 GMT
so stephen people get used to living under a dictatorship?! Oh yes im sure people get used to being tortured, beaten and having militia kidnap you at random. You need to read 1984. That quote is beyond belief.
If there was benefits how come South Wales is so poor? Yes ok we relied on one industry. So what? your attitude seems to be "tough luck." There was a story in the Observer about those times and people had to queue with their families at charity soup kitchens just to eat.
And I'm not saying TB hasnt done those things, im not defending hin. Im on about about what the Tories did.
I'm probably not going to debate any more with you because we both obviously have drastically different views that wont be altered.
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